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 On the Nature of JusticeNicolaus Tideman
 [Reprinted from a Land-Theory online
          discussion, with comments by Al Date, 1999]
 
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):But there is different use of
          the scales that is particularly relevant to questions of social
          justice, as opposed to personal disputes. The scales can be used to
          achieve an equal division. Justice is done when the contents of one
          pan of the scales are exactly balanced by the contents of the other.
 
 Al Date:I always thought that the scales meant that the
          punishment should be "equal" to the crime. But what do I
          know... :)
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):And then the sword. The sword
          represents the fact that justice is prepared to use the threat of
          force, and force itself, to see that her decrees are carried out. In a
          world where men have so often used weapons to achieve selfish
          dominance, the feminine gender helps make credible the claim that the
          sword is used only to achieve justice, and not to advance the selfish
          interests of the person who wields it.
 
 Al Date:And I suppose that since women are now in the
          military and in politics, that it is time that oppressed men should
          start lobbying for a male justice symbol. Batman? :)
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):Even the utilitarian proposal
          that conflicting claims should be settled in the way that yields the
          greatest possible utility must be rejected as an elitist imposition of
          a particular goal on people who may have other plans. If I choose to
          pursue a life that can be guaranteed to lead to depression and
          despair, I have as much claim to the protection of justice in that
          pursuit as if I choose the path that leads to bliss.
 
 Al Date:I think that this is a very weak example, because
          the person who chooses self-misery or even suicide is not necessarily
          involved in any "conflicting claims" which affect others and
          which therefor may invite a utilitarian calculus.
 
 Nic Tideman, replying to Al Date:No, a person may want to
          use a very expensive way of achieving depression and despair. He may
          wish to use expensive marble to impress the world with his talent as a
          sculptor, when in fact he has none. He may wish to use a vast array of
          computers to prove that pi is a rational number. A utilitarian would
          put those resources to work for some purpose that had a chance of
          achieving happiness for someone, while a just person would say that if
           the resources were bought with his earnings, they are his.
 
 Al Date:Meanwhile, court decisions regarding rights-of-way
          and other "stepping on other's toes" will invariably be
          decided so as to maximize utility. That's how the entire bankruptcy
          system came into effect, replacing debtor's prisons--much to the
          chagrin of the money-lenders.
 
 Nic Tideman responding to Al Date:I agree that there is a
          place for contractarian utilitarianism in decision-making, but I
          believe it should be confined to instances where people are making
          decisions about the use of resources that are agreed to be theirs, or
          where people have given their actual consent to having decisions made
          by utilitarian criteria.Al Date:Maximizing utility may be considered an "elitist
          imposition" philosophically, but it usually has the effect of
          helping the common people at the expense of the elites--such as
          allowing common land uses or flyovers that were not desired by the
          landlords. It is impossible for millions of people to get around
          without inconveniencing or irritating someone somewhere, and the best
          that justice can accomplish is mitigating the irritation.
 
 Nic Tideman responding to Al Date:Treating land as our
          common heritage, and requiring anyone who wants to have exclusive
          access to part of it to pay the value that would have to others takes
          care of this, I believe.
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):If one wishes to make sense of
          majoritarianism, one must first specify the perspective from which
          voters are expected to vote. Are voters to vote as proponents of their
          selfish personal interests, or are they to vote as disinterested
          judges of what is best? Suppose first that voters vote on the basis of
          their selfish personal interests.
 
 Al Date:Suppose that a jury must vote unanimously to
          convict someone of a crime.
 This gives an inherent advantage to the accused. Our system of
          justice is based on the idea that it is better that ten guilty men go
          free than one innocent man be convicted. But would people stand for it
          if 1000 murderers were set free so that one innocent man would not be
          convicted? 10,000? 1,000,000? I doubt it.
 
 Justice is a system, a process. It cannot be defined absolutely. What
          was "just" 100 years ago, may now be considered barbaric.
          So, it can only be "defined" and redefined in reference to
          the changing ethics of society.
 
 Our _system_ of justice, unique in the world, is a combination of
          common law and the Constitution, most notably, the First Ten
          Amendments, formulated from the personal opinions of a small group of
          men, led by Thomas Jefferson, who just happened to believe ...
 
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):We have the right to
          co-operate with whom we choose for whatever mutually agreed purposes
          we choose. Thus we have the right to trade with others, without any
          artificial hindrances, and we have the right to keep any wages or
          interest that we receive from such trading.
 
 Al Date:And in the background of all such classical liberal
          thought is the utilitarian justification that this is what works best
          for the advancement of the entire society, not just an elite.
 
 Nic Tideman responding to Al Date:No. Consider blood
          donations. Our hospitals often run short of blood. It would be much
          more efficient to require anyone to donate blood when his or her name
          was drawn at random. But we will refrain from imposing such a system
          on others, even if we recognize that we would be better of personally
          and so would the average person, because it would be an unjust
          intrusion on self-determination. It is not rule utilitarianism, but
          rather recognition of individual rights that governs what we think the
          rules ought to be.
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):These components of the
          classical liberal conception of justice are held by two groups that
          hold conflicting views on a companion issue of great importance: how
          are claims of exclusive access to natural opportunities to be
          established?
 
 Al Date::And again, the ultimate solution is found by
          letting them bid on it; ie, maximizing production while maximizing the
          collection of rent.
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):One tradition in classical
          liberalism concerning claims to land is that of > the "homesteading
          libertarians," as exemplified by Murray Rothbard, who say that
          there is really no need to be concerned with Locke's proviso. Natural
          opportunities belong to whoever first appropriates them, regardless of
          whether opportunities of equal value are available to others.[13]
 
 Al Date:I would call that a perversion of classical
          liberalism, just as modern economics is a corruption of economics, to
          coin a phrase. :)
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):The other tradition is that of
          the "geoists," as inspired if not ...
 
 Al Date:Not the other tradition, but the actual
          tradition...:)
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):... exemplified by Henry
          George, who say that, whenever natural opportunities are scarce, each
          person has an obligation to ensure that the per capita value of the
          natural opportunities that he leaves for others is as great as the
          value of the natural opportunities that he claims for himself.[14] Any
          excess in one's claim generates an obligation to compensate those who
          thereby have less. George actually proposed the nearly equivalent
          idea, that all or nearly all of the rental value of land should be
          collected in taxes, and all other taxes should be abolished. The
          geoist position as I have expressed it emphasizes the idea that, at
          least when value generated by public services is not an issue, rights
          to land are fundamentally rights of individuals, not rights of
          governments.
 
 Al Date:And I believe that all these rules are all aimed at
          maximizing utility.
 
 Nic Tideman responding to Al Date:When maximizing utility
          conflicts with the principle of equal liberty, which do you choose?
 
 Al Date responding to Nic Tideman:Historically, we conflate
          them.
 What is done (whether intentionally or by feeling our way) is to
          figure out the best way to maximize utility--and then boldly proclaim
          it is a matter of "right." As a recent example, I offer Roe
          v Wade. Further back, I would offer alcohol prohibition; and then its
          repeal! Further back, I would offer the abolition of slavery; and the
          Declaration of Independence.
 
 And, of course, I have already offered as a pertinent example your
          own "Georgist economic reform equalling justice."
 
 When we proclaim something as right and just it is our way of saying
          that this is the best thing for our society, but with a righteous and
          moral intonation.
 
 The test of this is to ask yourself if you would continue to argue
          that Georgist economic reform was required for justice if you were
          convinced that it was not utility maximizing.
 
 
 Mase Gaffney responding to Al Date:Al, you would probably
          enjoy an old book by James Harvey Robinson on "Rationalization."
          It seemed daring in its day; old stuff now, I suppose.
 
 Fred Foldvary responding to Al Date:I would.
 Just as I would argue against slavery even if it were utility
          maximizing, e.g. when a large majority gains more than a small
          minority loses.
 
 I have been amused with Austrian-school types advocating utility
          maximization when they know utility is subjective, non-measurable,
          applicable at marginal rather than total levels, and used in an
          ordinal rather than cardinal way in economics.
 
 
 Mike OMara responding to Fred Foldvary:Yes, that's
          the distinction needed: the utility of the individual, versus the
          utility of "society". Whether a particular individual
          advocates freedom or slavery depends on his personal utility function,
          and his information about which policies best increase his utility.
 Most people today find their utility decreased by the existence of
          slavery, even though a few may find it increased. If most individuals
          in the U.S. found that their personal utility is increased by slavery,
          forced blood donations, etc., then we would have those in this
          country. A free society is only possible if the majority of people
          each have personal utility functions in which their utility is
          increased by freedom and decreased by slavery, and if they have the
          information needed to recognize the effects of different policies on
          their personal utility.
 
 Through the process of evolutionary psychology, it is probably the
          case that most people have personal utility functions compatible with
          a desire for freedom and geonomic justice. The main barrier is
          probably the cost of information, so that people could become more
          aware of which policies best increase their personal utility.
 
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):Justice -- the balancing of
          the scales--is the geoist position, "I get exclusive access to
          this natural opportunity because I have left natural opportunities of
          equal value for you." (How one compares, in practice, the value
          of different natural opportunities is a bit complex. If you really
          want to know, you can invite me back for another lecture.)
 
 Al Date:I can't wait!
 
 Nic Tideman (from his paper):Justice is thus a regime in
          which persons have the greatest possible individual liberty, and all
          acknowledge an obligation to share equally the value of natural
          opportunities. Justice is economic reform--the abolition of all taxes
          on labor and capital, the acceptance of individual responsibility, the
          creation of institutions that will provide equal sharing the value of
          natural opportunities.
 
 Al Date:I could not agree more!! But economic reform is
          ALWAYS done for utilitarian reasons, or, alternatively, its outcome is
          judged by utilitarian measures. So, it seems that you have admitted
          that justice is ultimately a rule-utilitarian device.
 And I believe that all these rules are all aimed at maximizing
          utility.
 
 When maximizing utility conflicts with the principle of equal
          liberty, which do you choose?
 
 
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